I have been following some of Bernardo’s writings for a long time. A while ago my cousin asked me if I saw something he had just written, and my thoughts on it… My answer to her has evolved into this essay…
Bernardo Kastrup doesn’t seem to fully realize the degree to which he is still trying to think his way to what in its primal essence is both prior to and the end of all thought, a sort of destination, phenomenon or quality he and his colleagues most often label “consciousness.” They continue to promote their various philosophical, psychological, metaphysical and even scientific attempts to objectify, or in other words make into a “thing” that which precedes, is the source and substance of, and makes up all things, all thought, all language, all imaginings, all perceptions, all ideology and all concepts.
It is as if a being in a two dimensional world, deducing the existence of a three dimensional realm, is trying to “reach” (i.e., grasp, own, control) a deduced, imagined and overly theorized “three dimensional realm” by extending, articulating and refining all of his same old two dimensional and very artificial boundaries in merely greater and “more encompassing” ways.
One framework or scaffolding Bernardo seems to use a lot, in order to continue to be the identified “thinker” (doer) of his own thinking, is to challenge and debate (duel) with certain select (and necessarily contrary) scholars, peers and colleagues who might be willing to meet his challenges, and who, through a whole huge “rational” mess of convoluted and befuddled intellectual gambits and complexities, are even further lost than Bernardo is in what is truly a centuries-old game.
Similar to college football, most of these collegial scholars are extremely addicted to banging away at each other’s identities with post-modern formulations, words, data, concepts and publishing credits, rather than with mere bodies, balls, yard lines and goalposts. The seeming “winners” will gain more “identity” at the expense of the “losers,” all of it of course depending on who’s looking and from which sidelines.
It is a whole world of competing academic and institutional(ized) ideologues and their pet ideologies, each one trying to assert their own exclusive, special (personal) “understandings” of why it is that thought and/or matter, and all related and various space-time interactive measurable (graspable) effects, is all that there is. With every one of them coming from a different and very relative (to their own and each other’s backgrounds and conditioning) point of view.
Bernardo does know a good bit more and better than most of his colleagues, and articulates what he knows in some beautiful, clear and elegant ways.
He actually is, in some noticeable and certain ways, on the very edges of awareness, and probably experiences or has experienced in certain moments what can only ever be communicated via the natural realms, poetry, metaphor, certain stories, subtle pointings, pure art, dance, rhythm, music, etc. Or in other words, communicated through resonance.
Yet, in other ways, and particularly in such realms as empire, prominent social personalities, power, money and self-imagery, Bernardo seems to still be pretty lost in much of the meta-belief-in-separation’s dominant, conflicted and competing projections, collectively referred to as (by fragmented minds) the “world.”
Yet he has a highly trained and incredibly amazing mind as well, seems to be a profound intellectual adventurer, and is looking in some right directions through a massive education, all the while dragging bits and pieces of establishment science and academia, as best he can, along with him.
Never-the-less, Bernardo doesn’t seem to understand that for as long as he keeps arguing with establishment belief systems he will keep being co-opted back into them, always to serve establishment’s (separation’s) own purposes. The more successful his challenges are, i.e., the more he is able to reform aspects of the establishment into Bernardo’s own ideological self-imageries, the more encompassing and eventually successful will be his co-optation back into the very same systems he is trying to challenge. Or maybe he does understand this, and it is what he wants. No knowing.
For the purposes of this essay, establishment and our collective identity of separation are the same.
None of the ways human “civilization” has clawed itself to where we seem to be now are (any longer) the way forward. Every additional effort large and small based on that history (his story), or might I say our collective trajectories, will only lead us, as individuals, families, tribes, communities and societies, ever deeper into destruction, along with most of earth’s present and relative (related) forms and expressions of life.
In the same way the actual physical universe itself, at different major transitional points in its evolution, totally used up literally all the conditions, processes and circumstances that brought it to that point, making a whole new fundamental trajectory (never before known, implied or indicated in any of the universe’s preceding expressions of itself) both necessary as well as possible, human sentience on this planet, along with the planet itself, has now reached (and is reaching ever deeper into) a similar necessary as well as possible transition.
Earth has experienced some similar transitions or transformations, but never before has she done so in the company of consciousness or may I say Life awakening to itself, presently in this case, and only seemingly so far, through and as humans. Humans who also happen to be the cause(s) or catalyst for these end stages that are now coming to pass.
And just as as in earlier transitions, when none of the prior conditions (or stages) of the universe could guarantee, describe or “predict” what a new trajectory might look like, let alone survive its appearance (emergence), the same is true now for what is presently believing itself to be human, as a (potentially) awakening part of what is an immeasurably ancient yet always fresh and new, eternal journey.
Humans are now, unavoidably, overly, and irreversibly, the dominant determiner of Life’s journey on this planet, and it is both time and far past time for us to begin to let go of the destructive ignorance of the old, even as we, in all our two dimensional ignorance, are without any actual “knowing” (which is always based on the impressions, infatuations and conditioning of a nonexistent past) of the new.
All of us are a part of evolution. And not just evolution, the miracle of creation itself. We are being called now to really and actually step out of our illusions of separation together. What may go forward, in new ways we cannot know, at least not through and as these identities we must first and fully let go of, is what we have always been and only forgotten.
What we can hope for is that what comes will be more (and more) consciously awake, and ever more openly and relatingly interconnected and together. And it is we who must become the seeds for these sorts of possibilities.
We will, I believe, if and as much as we are able to let go, and most especially of what we believe to be the past, begin to discover other, deeper and better ways of engaging, first with our own selves, and then with each other, other life expressions, and the universe.
It is our willingness that we are being called to realize now, all the while as we let go of willfulness, otherwise known as the assertions of competing illusional and delusional identities lost in the beliefs of separation.
The modern western educated mind trying to understand this now primal requirement is like the proverbial camel trying to pass through the eye of a needle.
Going for a walk with Bernardo in these realms of thought and language, in these ways, if I ever were to find myself doing that very unlikely such, would be sort of like going for a walk in the forest with a world class olympic gold medalist gymnast who can virtually (pun intended) jump, twist and fly over all the seeming “obstacles” in the forest.
All the while as the forest is calling to both of us to slow down and bring our attention back to this expression or place that is unfolding both within and as a part of our very own here and now presence in the forest. This is the only place where he and I and a living world might begin to share a deeper awareness of what he and I and a living world also are, together, as each of us, as all of us, and as the forest.
Invite this amazing Bernardo of my fantasy, through a sort of sharing of what we are that is the very same, to actually experience our greater being as the very forest itself.
The two of us now discovering what is really the most intimate surprise of all, that this larger context (expression) of who he and I also are, that we were calling at the beginning of our walk the forest (or world), is now actually and consciously, without need of any labels, concepts or identity, discovering itself through and as our very own extant (here and now) conversation (journey) with each other.
Whatever it may be, through writings, conversation, dancing, or simply noticing, we are now, actually, walking on water. And behold, this very “water” itself is now fully revealed as the most vulnerable, intimate and ordinary expression of all. And so we are revealed, to ourselves.
In other words, realize with Bernardo a world of connection, rather than mere observation, all the while as we support each other and the world in letting go of some of the ways observation (separation) seems to offer (what is always and only) a temporary “sense” (illusion) of “control” over what we believe is other than us, or the so-called observed.
Neither the observed nor the observer are actually real. Yet our beliefs that they (as in us, you, me, other) are, is now rapidly destroying ourselves, each other, other life and the earth.
This consciousness of ourselves is an extension, and therefore not separate from the source of everything. The belief we are separate, the one meta belief every “modern” human seems to agree upon, and simply because in fact we are not and cannot ever be separate from source, actually has the power, simply through its own beliefs, to project and seem to make real illusions, and through acting as if these projections are real, destroy all that we are (in fact and truth) part and participant in.
Just as it is not always a blessing to have great wealth, privilege, power, it is not always or at least only a blessing to have a talented, healthy, highly trained and educated mind, or a talented, healthy, highly trained and educated body. “Blessing” in this context meaning truly helpful for our true purpose(s) here on earth.
Projections upon projections, none of it real. What is true and real never comes, never goes, never changes. And yet, all change, all form, all phenomena, all experience is made up of, arises from, and returns to the real.
This huge play of existence we are for a while believing we are separate from, in a sense condensates out of the real, and it will all eventually fall away, dissolve back into, return to the real.
That returning is also simultaneously a becoming, creation in greater and greater dimensions.
What I am calling here the real is what all of us who are blessed with a truly auspicious or human birth are now being called to fully realize is actually what we, also, always and already, are.
I actually believe there is an incredible gift in what we are all being called (invited) to accept. This calling or invitation, that is arising through each of us and all of us who are also slowly beginning to realize that we also are what is calling, is not an abstract idea, concept or thought. It is reality itself.
How amazing is that, reality itself wants to come into an awakened and ever awakening relationship with itself, through each of us and all of us. I believe this may be the most truly incredible gift in ALL of creation.
Without becoming familiar with, embracing, and actually entering into and living paradox, none of this can be grasped. It is prior to all words, concepts, time and space. It can only seem to be grasped by allowing it to slowly (and sometimes suddenly) grasp us. Here is where we actually begin to experience the difference between willingness and mere willfulness. For it is always in its own time, and in its own infinite ways and manner.
When that sort of symbiosis happens, the forest (world) begins to converse, dance, sing, shape-shift, drum and paint into actual phenomenal existence its very own joy, love and beauty, otherwise known as Source, all of it now expressing and discovering itself through each of us, with each of us, as each of us, and all of life.
The universe in a grain of sand realizes that it is so…
That Love is so…
~ John Fridinger
Talent, OR
Spring, 2020
So great. But your premise is wrong. Bernardo has always been crystal clear that his work is not at all a practice towards spiritual experience. He makes that distinction whenever a practitioner treats his work as if it is an attempt to have such an experience.
But just as trying to understand a struggle your child is having is not the same thing as your love for your child, Bernardo’s careful maps and arguments against materialism are not the experience of spirit or transformation or transcendence.
He has never claimed his work should be treated as such.
Perhaps it is simply because he uses reason and aspects of science to argue for idealism that some people apply this unfair objection to him, as if he is claiming that his spiritual practice is the same as his intellectual workshop.
Clearly you wrote from good intentions. I would just say that rather than point to his work as lacking, ask him if he would be willing to share a distinction between his spiritual experience and his intellectual work.
With all due respect John, you are completely mistaken regarding Kastrup’s motivations and intentions. Right out of the gate you say, “Bernardo Kastrup doesn’t seem yet to fully realize the degree to which he is still trying to think his way to what is in essence the end of thought” . Bernardo is VERY aware of the fact that rational thought has limits. In fact this is precisely why he is taking on the fundamentalist materialist (reductionist) academic clergy. Rupert Spira, who is an excellent and highly knowledgeable spiritual teacher, is a good friend of Kastrup’s and a big fan of Kastrup’s work. Look more deeply into Kastrup and you will see that he GETS IT, and that he makes no claims to “enlightenment” or even to being on a spiritual path.
All The Best,
Mark Lesseraux
My god, could this guy be anymore obtuse? He goes on at length accusing Benardo of exactly what he’s doing. Basically he is pleading with us to believe that Bernardo is not quite enlightened and he knows this because he is. My favorite line is “projections upon projections” Ya buddy i agree that’s exactly what your doing. How you can present yourself as an expert on what consciousness is while lecturing Bernardo that consciousness manifesting as him is not as enlightened as consciousness manifesting as John. Consciousness is doing whatever the fuck it’s doing, as Bernardo or John. No free will. And yes i realise that consciousness is just appearing as another form as ‘I’ put in my two cents. 🙂
You have articulated what I was thinking and feeling reading Kastrup’s latest book, The Idea of the World. All seems geared toward an academic argument where the goal is winning the day. Having read all of his previous books, I am finding this one a jungle of argument, inhabited by a desperate desire to prove others wrong, instead of a collection of thought-provoking and inspiring ideas about life and this world.
I believe the intent with ‘the idea of the world’ is mainly in reaching the academic/intellectually inclined world. He’s taken an approach here that may be more likely to be received, and thus taken seriously within this world. That’s not to say his prior works don’t have content that ‘should’ be taken quite seriously. He mentioned in an interview that he feels an internal pressure to (paraphrasing) express or write about these philosophical ideas, and once it’s out (i.e. book, essay, etc.) there’s a sense of relief/unburdening. So, I don’t sense his coming from an egoic state to ‘have to be right’…and prove others wrong. And I’d suppose the perceived ‘jungle of argument’ was an effort at utmost rigor in articulating arguments supporting idealism and negating materialism. Take a look at some of the books out there arguing against consciousness as an ontological primitive, if you will, and I’d suggest there’s a real need for this kind of output.
I, myself, had to put this book down as a starting point into his books after realizing he had previous works with, as you put it: a collection of thought-provoking and inspiring ideas about life and this world.
There certainly is an aspect of “winning the day” with his work. However, this is just one aspect of rich and varied body of work. Other aspects are “skillful means” and “meeting people where they are.” The materialist needs to be challenged in ways that shake up its habitual mind by providing an intellectual scaffolding it can understand and follow. Inspiring ideas abound yet are mostly ignored by the influencers that shape most people’s default worldview. I had a kensho experience years ago and my materialist mind (at the time) turned to “thought-provoking ideas” for some clarity, however not until I encountered Bernardo’s work did I “get it.”
John, enjoyed your piece. Thank You.
I was not suggesting ego was involved nor a desire to be ‘right.’ But such arguments have that flavour and energy goes into proving a position or point as opposed to exploring ideas.
I understand the book was written to reach the academic world. Intellectually inclined is not correct since many academics are not intellectuals nor particularly intelligent and many non-academics are both.
The academic world has its own avenues for access and I am not sure a book which when published, is generally available, works as well as Bernardo’s other writings. If I failed to be clear about my point, I apologise.
I can understand the premise of the book but I don’t think it works in the way that his other books have worked in terms of drawing in a broad reading public.
I would love to lead to a path where both Bernardo Kastrup as well as John Fridinger can move ahead and see the existential reality using their Individual power of imagination.
Premise:-
Existential reality is only one and both these people are talking about are trying to explain what is already in existence. There may be infinite angle to view the same and as far as they see the reality they will be aligned.
This seeing of the reality will not be through the physical senses of touch feel but through the focused attention of the life-atom or soul .
Human beings as a CoExistence of the soul/life atom and the Physical body as a hypothesis will help the imagination of both these opinions see a common existential reality.
I have explained the structure of the life atom as well as the evolution process of the same as a hypothesis which anyone can validate and build on.
Hypotheisis:-
This can be a hypothesis on which more arguments can be based and built on.
The evolution of the atoms into various elements lead to the formation of a life atom/ soul.
The language that I am using to express is a very late invention and it may fall short but I am sure each one of you reading this can imagine and create an interpretation of how things could have worked.
In the process of the formation of various elements an atom with one particle in the centre and 60 particles going around in 4 concentric circles was formed. The spin and the elliptical orbit motion of all the 60 particles was enough to absorb the mass/force of the one particle and it became free of mass. Levitation- A science experiment explains how this might be feasible.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U)
Now this soul is energizing the animal bodies who have the will to live as well as human beings. Many of these souls in animals can receive signals from the human soul only when working in coexistence with a physical body As a result they show some signs of intellect. These are not enough to understand the concepts beyond some basics. The neurological hardware of the human body is fully capable to receive all the signals of the soul and understand the reality of existence.
This theory has been propounded and shared understood and being tried to put into practice by a large number of people in the last 2 decades.
Request:-
I have looked at it from many many angles and this has helped me lead my every day life full of bliss. My interactions after understanding the reality has become so effortless and full of clarity.
You people have vey good reach, authority, and in these difficult times help people understand reality and learn to live in harmony with all other elements in the planet with full clarity.
Best regards,
Anand.
ananddamani.com
In response to some of the comments here, one of the attributes of some highly intelligent people is that they can be so pretentious.
They get caught in their intellectuality and miss the fact that the heart of consciousness is the Heart, and that the purpose of intellect, at least in these sorts of conversations, is to empower words and language as metaphor, to point to and through some of the natural openings inherent in mind, and express that which ultimately cannot be expressed, only lived.
Instead, they mistake their intellect for consciousness.
Well said Susan Marie. But also, each of us communicates and connects in different ways and our unique way of being will influence how we think and speak.
Yes. And might we also say the unique expression of being is from that which created all uniqueness… Heart. All of creation expressing Herself as Herself, translating and transforming Herself as it were through the metaphor of words, stories, paintings, music, photography, stillness, dance, life, etc.—all in, of and through Herself, which can and is often misinterpreted by an intellect that tends to believe it can and must “determine” its own source. Rather than serve.
Similar to the way light refracts through a prism into infinite color, so does life seem to express itself in infinite ways, as it reflects back upon itself through the Heart of Being.
http://www.susanmarie.life/palette/
Yes, what we call the feminine creative qualities which of course exist in men as well as women, expressing themselves through this material world.